I Don't Think That I'm Over His

When I Met Steve Kaufman, I Thought He Was Gene Simmons, But What An Artist Talent He Is. He Will Be An Art Force In The Art World To Deal With.

What Interests Me Is To Paint The Kind Of Antisensitivity That Impregnates Modern Civilization. I Think Art Since Cezanne Has Become Extremely Romantic And Unrealistic, Feeding On Art. It Is Utopian. It Has Less And Less To Do With The World. It Looks Inward - Neo-zen And All That. Pop Art Looks Out Into The World. It Doesn't Look Like A Painting Of Something, It Looks Like The Thing Itself.

Usually I Begin Things Through A Drawing, So A Lot Of Things Are Worked Out In The Drawing. But Even Then, I Still Allow For And Want To Make Changes. I Kind Of Do The Drawing With The Painting In Mind, But It's Very Hard To Guess At A Size Or A Color And The Colors Around It And What It Will Really Look Like. It's Only A Guess At The Beginning, And Then I Try To Refine It.

I Think That Most People Think Painters Are Kind Of Ridiculous, You Know?

I Was At Rutgers University, And That Was A Center For Fluxus In A Way. But It Wasn't What I Was Interested In. All Of It Had An Impact - As Did Happenings - Because I Could See That Art Was Changing From Expressionism, Which I Was Doing At The Time, Or Thought I Was Doing. But It Wasn't The Direction I Really Wanted To Go.